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TC Polishing Kit ini-Review / Thoughts
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doug mandeville
2004-04-29 16:00:40 UTC
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Received my kit last night. Was extremely pumped, so got the included DVD,
tossed it in the tv, and fired it up.

This is clearly the first time the TC clan has filmed something; while very
informational and clearly showing the proper use of the kit, the lighting /
camera angles did absolutely no justice whatsoever to the end result of
their work, nor could we get any real perspective of what the playfield
looked like close-up before the application. (NOT a knock on the quality of
the actual product, however..) Allen DID acknowledge on the video this was
not their forte (video production) and they would be improving their skills
in this arena (and hinted they're looking at doing restoration videos, which
I will DEFINATELY be first in line to purchase.) I totally respect their
honesty and effort. Good for knowing HOW to use it, would love to see good
before and after video in subsequent updates (should they exist) of this
DVD.

Now, onto the kit itself. Included was everything advertised, the pads and
attachments looked to be of very good quality. I had a VERY dirty, scuffed,
beaten-to-hell Whitewater bare playfield I was waiting to use as a lab rat
for this. My lovely s/o Alicia, partner in pinball crime, painstakingly as
directed cleaned the surface dirt off the p/f , leaving a very dull,
scuffed, swirled example of WW. Some wear areas around flippers and a couple
inserts, it still didn't look like a playfield I would expect anyone to
consider actually using in a game.

Now, onto the main event. It is explained that you should use a
variable-speed drill, and mine was currently non-functional, so I did use a
regular single-speed drill being extra "delicate" on the pf. Started with
the Powercut 3, for 2 applications, then the 2, then the 1.

Even though I slightly deviated from recommended practice, all I can say
is...WOW. The playfield after treatment came out amazing. Yes, it would
still need someone to touch up the wear marks, but those aside, it is
actually a respectable playfield, something I would have NEVER told you 2
weeks ago when I pulled/stripped this from the parts cabinet it came from. I
fully expected this playfield to go in the dumpster, or to Allentown for
maybe a few dollars, or a beer, or a small part in trade, as a decorative
item. I can actually see a WW owner/restorer now seeing this as a "project"
playfield that could potentially be saved/fully restored.

I don't care one bit for politics or soap operas, and I don't care one iota
about the recent dramas involving the TC folks or anyone else. But I HAVE to
tell you, the results I got from the Polishing kit test were absolutely
phenomenal, and DEFINATELY worth the price of the kit knowing I'll fix up a
few more games with the remaining Powercut compound. I'm definately a happy
customer.

For the curious, here's an admiteddly not terribly professional, but picture
nonteheless of the playfield in question - I know, I know, you can't get
much from it, but understand that this playfield looked HORRIBLE before last
night -

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Oh, there's also BTW pics of the Hurricane and SF2 I'm bringing to Allentown
at http://www.mindoasis.com/pinball in case anyone has interest.

Bottom line - this kit is definately a good buy and lives up to its hype!
Bryan Kelly
2004-04-29 16:28:34 UTC
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Post by doug mandeville
Even though I slightly deviated from recommended practice, all I can say
is...WOW. The playfield after treatment came out amazing. Yes, it would
still need someone to touch up the wear marks, but those aside, it is
actually a respectable playfield, something I would have NEVER told you 2
weeks ago when I pulled/stripped this from the parts cabinet it came from. I
<snip>

You've got me more pumped then I was when my kick came in the mail yesterday
Doug. In about 10 minutes I'm giving it a try on a FT playfield. I'll let
everyone know how it turns out.

Bryan (Goose Lurker, CARGPB14)
doug mandeville
2004-04-29 16:44:51 UTC
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Woah, please, if you could, could you maybe snap a few before and after pics
of the FT? My FT per mandate by the missus, is the FIRST "real" game to do
after we get back from Allentown...so why not have something cool to tease
her with all weekend :)
Post by Bryan Kelly
Post by doug mandeville
Even though I slightly deviated from recommended practice, all I can say
is...WOW. The playfield after treatment came out amazing. Yes, it would
still need someone to touch up the wear marks, but those aside, it is
actually a respectable playfield, something I would have NEVER told you 2
weeks ago when I pulled/stripped this from the parts cabinet it came from. I
<snip>
You've got me more pumped then I was when my kick came in the mail yesterday
Doug. In about 10 minutes I'm giving it a try on a FT playfield. I'll let
everyone know how it turns out.
Bryan (Goose Lurker, CARGPB14)
Bryan Kelly
2004-04-29 17:14:00 UTC
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Post by doug mandeville
Woah, please, if you could, could you maybe snap a few before and after pics
of the FT? My FT per mandate by the missus, is the FIRST "real" game to do
after we get back from Allentown...so why not have something cool to tease
her with all weekend :)
Will do Doug. I'm not the greatest with the camera but I'll try to get some
shots that show the true before and the true after. I've got no way of hosting
them though. Anybody care to host?

I should have it done this afternoon. Gotta finish regraining and polishing
the ball guides first. :-)

Bryan (Goose Lurker, CARGPB14)
doug mandeville
2004-04-29 18:46:01 UTC
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if you can zip the pic files and email them to ***@aol.com, I'll
put them on my web server, I have plenty of space to spare....hopefully I'll
have at least dial-up access from the Days Inn at Allentown!

(is anyone else staying at the Days Inn? are there any good local
taverns/haunts to have a cold one/socialize in the neighborhood?)
Post by Bryan Kelly
Post by doug mandeville
Woah, please, if you could, could you maybe snap a few before and after pics
of the FT? My FT per mandate by the missus, is the FIRST "real" game to do
after we get back from Allentown...so why not have something cool to tease
her with all weekend :)
Will do Doug. I'm not the greatest with the camera but I'll try to get some
shots that show the true before and the true after. I've got no way of hosting
them though. Anybody care to host?
I should have it done this afternoon. Gotta finish regraining and polishing
the ball guides first. :-)
Bryan (Goose Lurker, CARGPB14)
Bryan Kelly
2004-04-29 21:10:09 UTC
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Post by doug mandeville
put them on my web server, I have plenty of space to spare....hopefully I'll
have at least dial-up access from the Days Inn at Allentown!
(is anyone else staying at the Days Inn? are there any good local
taverns/haunts to have a cold one/socialize in the neighborhood?)
Post by Bryan Kelly
Will do Doug. I'm not the greatest with the camera but I'll try to get
some
Post by Bryan Kelly
shots that show the true before and the true after. I've got no way of
hosting
Post by Bryan Kelly
them though. Anybody care to host?
I should have it done this afternoon. Gotta finish regraining and
polishing
Post by Bryan Kelly
the ball guides first. :-)
Bryan (Goose Lurker, CARGPB14)
My FT playfield polish job is done and all I can say is simply amazing results.
Doug was nice enough to host the pics here
http://www.mindoasis.com/pinball/ftplayfield . Thanks Doug. Pics 1-8 are the
before and 9-17 are the after. It should be noted that this FT was shopped
about a year ago and only had about 100 plays on it since, so it's not like it
was all that dirty. With the pics I sent Doug, I tried to highlight the
typical ball wear areas that I was never able to fully remove. Piece of cake
to clean a playfield but I was never able to make it look this nice by hand.
The pics don't do the final result justice but trust me, it's nice.

Just to add a few comments that haven't been mentioned already. I found this
to be not a 15 minute job, as Allen states on his video, but more like a 2 beer
job (1 1/2 hours). Everything was removed from the playfield and anything
sticking through the field was also removed, except the pop bumpers. I feel
this is the only way to really do it right.

Don't do it in the living room as you will get compound splattered here and
there.

The #3 compound was only used in the heavy ball wear areas as that stuff is
pretty gritty.

After each compound was used, the playfield was totally wiped down to remove
any residue.

Only thing left to do is wax and clean the sh*t out of all the holes. Sounds
like a 1 beer job.

Thanks Allen for a great product. I always knew this could be done better then
by hand, just didn't know where to get the stuff needed. You provided that.
As far as I'm concerned, well worth the money.

Bryan (Goose Lurker, CARGPB14)
doug mandeville
2004-04-29 20:52:35 UTC
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Bryan was cool enough to take a bunch of pics of his FT polishing
experience. I posted them at

http://www.mindoasis.com/pinball/ftplayfield

it's unsorted, and Bryan, can you help out with what is before and after? I
assume there's some "before" of the boat playfield with the "after" and a
number of "after" pics of the p/f itself. Definately very nice stuff!!!
Thanks for sharing!
Post by Bryan Kelly
Post by doug mandeville
Even though I slightly deviated from recommended practice, all I can say
is...WOW. The playfield after treatment came out amazing. Yes, it would
still need someone to touch up the wear marks, but those aside, it is
actually a respectable playfield, something I would have NEVER told you 2
weeks ago when I pulled/stripped this from the parts cabinet it came from. I
<snip>
You've got me more pumped then I was when my kick came in the mail yesterday
Doug. In about 10 minutes I'm giving it a try on a FT playfield. I'll let
everyone know how it turns out.
Bryan (Goose Lurker, CARGPB14)
John Wart, jr
2004-04-29 21:12:19 UTC
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Looks great, but I think the beer can could use a little more powercut #1
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C Redinger
2004-04-29 21:14:14 UTC
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I like Pic 17 , the beer mod fits well with the fishing theme :-)


On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:52:35 -0400, "doug mandeville"
Post by doug mandeville
Bryan was cool enough to take a bunch of pics of his FT polishing
experience. I posted them at
http://www.mindoasis.com/pinball/ftplayfield
it's unsorted, and Bryan, can you help out with what is before and after? I
assume there's some "before" of the boat playfield with the "after" and a
number of "after" pics of the p/f itself. Definately very nice stuff!!!
Thanks for sharing!
Post by Bryan Kelly
Post by doug mandeville
Even though I slightly deviated from recommended practice, all I can say
is...WOW. The playfield after treatment came out amazing. Yes, it would
still need someone to touch up the wear marks, but those aside, it is
actually a respectable playfield, something I would have NEVER told you 2
weeks ago when I pulled/stripped this from the parts cabinet it came
from. I
Post by Bryan Kelly
<snip>
You've got me more pumped then I was when my kick came in the mail
yesterday
Post by Bryan Kelly
Doug. In about 10 minutes I'm giving it a try on a FT playfield. I'll
let
Post by Bryan Kelly
everyone know how it turns out.
Bryan (Goose Lurker, CARGPB14)
Bryan Kelly
2004-04-29 22:23:11 UTC
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Post by C Redinger
I like Pic 17 , the beer mod fits well with the fishing theme :-)
Oh man, I never thought of that as a mod. Better not let Wible see that or
empty cans of beer will be on Ebay for $5.00. Would have been a nice game
feature though. Beer can stand up target. Have to hit it 5 times to empty it
then shot for captive ball.

I should be designing these things. :-)

Bryan (Goose Lurker, CARGPB14)
Steven
2004-04-29 21:39:15 UTC
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Post by Bryan Kelly
Post by doug mandeville
Even though I slightly deviated from recommended practice, all I can say
is...WOW. The playfield after treatment came out amazing. Yes, it would
still need someone to touch up the wear marks, but those aside, it is
actually a respectable playfield, something I would have NEVER told you 2
weeks ago when I pulled/stripped this from the parts cabinet it came from. I
<snip>
You've got me more pumped then I was when my kick came in the mail yesterday
Doug. In about 10 minutes I'm giving it a try on a FT playfield. I'll let
everyone know how it turns out.
Bryan (Goose Lurker, CARGPB14)
I guess I don't get it. You guys spent $90 to do this? I bought
the 4" polisher that Shaggy and Norm recommend in the new TOP4
video for $30, and used their 3 step process (Novus3, Novus2/3,
and Novus2, and then the optional black anti-swirl compound)), and
I get the same results. I already have the Novus products. Heck
I even had the black stuff from my car days. $30 is a lot less
than $90, and you get a _real_ random orbit polisher with foam and
wool pads, not some drill thingies.

Norm and Shaggy even have a on-line video showing their technique.
I don't know if the video is public or not. Someone emailed me
the link. I don't feel comfortable giving it out. But I will email
Shaggy and ask if it's Ok, and then post the link if they say it
is Ok.

Sincerely,
Steven R.
Ron Strom
2004-04-29 22:56:40 UTC
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Post by Steven
Post by Bryan Kelly
Post by doug mandeville
Even though I slightly deviated from recommended practice, all I can say
is...WOW. The playfield after treatment came out amazing. Yes, it would
still need someone to touch up the wear marks, but those aside, it is
actually a respectable playfield, something I would have NEVER told you 2
weeks ago when I pulled/stripped this from the parts cabinet it came from. I
<snip>
You've got me more pumped then I was when my kick came in the mail yesterday
Doug. In about 10 minutes I'm giving it a try on a FT playfield. I'll let
everyone know how it turns out.
Bryan (Goose Lurker, CARGPB14)
I guess I don't get it. You guys spent $90 to do this? I bought
the 4" polisher that Shaggy and Norm recommend in the new TOP4
video for $30, and used their 3 step process (Novus3, Novus2/3,
and Novus2, and then the optional black anti-swirl compound)), and
I get the same results.
"Point, your honor"! All due given to Clay's methods, how exactly do you
know you get "The SAME results" without comparing your method against an
alternate method? Sorry to split hairs but inquiring minds want to know.
Post by Steven
I already have the Novus products. Heck
I even had the black stuff from my car days. $30 is a lot less
than $90, and you get a _real_ random orbit polisher with foam and
wool pads, not some drill thingies.
Norm and Shaggy even have a on-line video showing their technique.
I don't know if the video is public or not. Someone emailed me
the link. I don't feel comfortable giving it out. But I will email
Shaggy and ask if it's Ok, and then post the link if they say it
is Ok.
Sincerely,
Steven R.
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