cyBORG
2008-12-02 06:52:14 UTC
In reference to message titled : "Todd Marchant = Kevin Wayte (from
CPR)?" in rec.games.pinball
A while back, I thought I had discovered that Kevin Wayte (from
Classic Playfield Reproductions) was using an alias
(***@gmail.com) to bash John Greatwich; a pinball
enthusiast who has been experimenting with Direct Ink printing on wood
playfields. As you can see in the thread referenced at the top of
the message; Kevin denied that he was the one slamming John at the
time under the alias of "Todd Marchant"; even though every single
aspect of the headers indicated it was his computer specifically that
was making the post under the alias.
I had seen Kevin aliasing before on rec.games.pinball; mostly to
pretend he was someone else in order to hype a CPR product (Remember
their first few playfield projects years ago? Do some looking!) - we
mostly just quietly laughed about it at the time in #pinball on EFNet
and let it go. This time; I felt that enough was enough, John did not
deserve the blatant attack (quoted in the thread I referenced above in
rec.games.pinball)
I contacted Mike Purcell; and we went back and forth a few times via e-
mail regarding this incident. Mike didn't seem too thrilled; and
voiced his concern that it was indeed Kevin who was making the attack
post on John Greatwich; but I admitted that without more evidence
(despite the overwhelmingly strong, 99% solid evidence I already had);
I couldn't say for sure, 100% that it was Kevin Wayte. I had done
lots of research on newsgroups though and attempted to build a profile
of Kevin's behaviour; and it seemed to match what I was seeing
recently.
Kevin at this point chimed in via e-mail and decided he was going to
call me. I figured I would play both good cop and bad cop myself over
the course of the conversation. Oh yeah; and I recorded the call and
have kept it for PRIVATE playback and reference, in accordance with
the laws of Canada. One party must consent to this; and I was that
one party.
Here's a short version of how the call went, I am paraphrasing heavily
because this call lasted something like 45 minutes.
-Me : Ok, I know you did it just cut the shit and admit it and I'll
drop it immediately. I'm being pushy. Honestly, if he had not
decided to do what comes next and WASTE MY TIME and BULLSHIT ME for
the next 35 minutes; I would have let it go and we could have honestly
laughed about it together.
-Kevin : Nah, I didn't do it. Now I will waste 20 minutes of your
life telling you about all the people and things that frustrate me;
also how elite my computer skills are because I went to Acadia and was
taught by alcoholic Russians how to program on a PDP-11. (Ok, I made
up the PDP-11 part, but I assume he is old since Russians are being
referenced as the foremost authorities on computer programming).
-I knew at this point that since he didn't come on the phone all
pissed at me and tried to be 'Mr. nice guy' that I had him. This was
a major weakness in my opinion; so I just danced around until I
figured the time was right to move in for the kill.
This is where shit starts to get wacky. I had to really control
myself and not laugh at times.
-Kevin : Ok, I blame Greg Walker for hijacking my IP and posting as
'me' using the todd marchant alias.
-Me : I talked to Greg and he says he didn't do it and does not post
to RGP anymore. I've met Greg, and frankly he was a straight shooter
and a nice fella in person.
-Kevin : Ok... (nervous) maybe it wasn't Greg Walker. It was this guy
Neal (Neil?) who used to work for CPR. He is a linux geek and can
hack anything you can buy at Future Shop. He hacked my internet
connection.
-Me : Bullshit. *( HOLY SLANDER, BATMAN! )*
-Kevin : Now I'd like to tell you about John Greatwich. Blah blah
blah. Some negative stuff is said regarding John's character and
social skills and the validity of what he is doing with playfields.
-Me : I think what he is doing is crazy too, frankly. I question his
methods and think he's an idiot for trying to do what he's trying to
do. (with regards to his Direct Ink project). Cut to the chase, this
is bullshit.
-Kevin : * More nonsense that goes nowhere *
Grand Finale :
-Me : Cut the shit, Kevin.
-My brain : I'm going to have some fun with you now since you've been
lying to me for like a week now in various forms and so I tell you I
won't tell anyone what you did if you just admit it. I'll even tell
your business partner everything is hunky dorey and we'll all have a
tea party together. I give myself an oscar for pretending to be nice
and get along just to coax the info out of him. I figure that my one
little lie VS about 20 of his + a bunch of character assassination,
slander and whining about licensors (not really covered in this
message) - is a fair trade.
-Kevin : Ok, you got me. I did indeed post as Todd Marchant
(***@gmail.com). But don't tell Mike - he is SUPER
pissed about this right now, dude! Ohno!
-We say our goodbyes and pretend we are going to get along in the
future; I promise to bring my tea set if and when we have our tea
party. Yay, all is well.
-I hang up and laugh pretty hard for a good 3 minutes.
-I play nice for a while just for shits and giggles. I even pretend
I'm interested in working for them just to see where it goes -. I
honestly never expect a reply; and secondarily - why would I want to
work for someone who would slander me like he just did to his ex-
employee Neal (Neil?) during our phone call? Maybe I shouldn't worry
- I'm sure it's possible that Neal was invented as a scapegoat and
does not actually exist. Anything to avoid getting his hand slapped
for being in the cookie jar I guess...
Cheers;
-cyBORG
CPR)?" in rec.games.pinball
A while back, I thought I had discovered that Kevin Wayte (from
Classic Playfield Reproductions) was using an alias
(***@gmail.com) to bash John Greatwich; a pinball
enthusiast who has been experimenting with Direct Ink printing on wood
playfields. As you can see in the thread referenced at the top of
the message; Kevin denied that he was the one slamming John at the
time under the alias of "Todd Marchant"; even though every single
aspect of the headers indicated it was his computer specifically that
was making the post under the alias.
I had seen Kevin aliasing before on rec.games.pinball; mostly to
pretend he was someone else in order to hype a CPR product (Remember
their first few playfield projects years ago? Do some looking!) - we
mostly just quietly laughed about it at the time in #pinball on EFNet
and let it go. This time; I felt that enough was enough, John did not
deserve the blatant attack (quoted in the thread I referenced above in
rec.games.pinball)
I contacted Mike Purcell; and we went back and forth a few times via e-
mail regarding this incident. Mike didn't seem too thrilled; and
voiced his concern that it was indeed Kevin who was making the attack
post on John Greatwich; but I admitted that without more evidence
(despite the overwhelmingly strong, 99% solid evidence I already had);
I couldn't say for sure, 100% that it was Kevin Wayte. I had done
lots of research on newsgroups though and attempted to build a profile
of Kevin's behaviour; and it seemed to match what I was seeing
recently.
Kevin at this point chimed in via e-mail and decided he was going to
call me. I figured I would play both good cop and bad cop myself over
the course of the conversation. Oh yeah; and I recorded the call and
have kept it for PRIVATE playback and reference, in accordance with
the laws of Canada. One party must consent to this; and I was that
one party.
Here's a short version of how the call went, I am paraphrasing heavily
because this call lasted something like 45 minutes.
-Me : Ok, I know you did it just cut the shit and admit it and I'll
drop it immediately. I'm being pushy. Honestly, if he had not
decided to do what comes next and WASTE MY TIME and BULLSHIT ME for
the next 35 minutes; I would have let it go and we could have honestly
laughed about it together.
-Kevin : Nah, I didn't do it. Now I will waste 20 minutes of your
life telling you about all the people and things that frustrate me;
also how elite my computer skills are because I went to Acadia and was
taught by alcoholic Russians how to program on a PDP-11. (Ok, I made
up the PDP-11 part, but I assume he is old since Russians are being
referenced as the foremost authorities on computer programming).
-I knew at this point that since he didn't come on the phone all
pissed at me and tried to be 'Mr. nice guy' that I had him. This was
a major weakness in my opinion; so I just danced around until I
figured the time was right to move in for the kill.
This is where shit starts to get wacky. I had to really control
myself and not laugh at times.
-Kevin : Ok, I blame Greg Walker for hijacking my IP and posting as
'me' using the todd marchant alias.
-Me : I talked to Greg and he says he didn't do it and does not post
to RGP anymore. I've met Greg, and frankly he was a straight shooter
and a nice fella in person.
-Kevin : Ok... (nervous) maybe it wasn't Greg Walker. It was this guy
Neal (Neil?) who used to work for CPR. He is a linux geek and can
hack anything you can buy at Future Shop. He hacked my internet
connection.
-Me : Bullshit. *( HOLY SLANDER, BATMAN! )*
-Kevin : Now I'd like to tell you about John Greatwich. Blah blah
blah. Some negative stuff is said regarding John's character and
social skills and the validity of what he is doing with playfields.
-Me : I think what he is doing is crazy too, frankly. I question his
methods and think he's an idiot for trying to do what he's trying to
do. (with regards to his Direct Ink project). Cut to the chase, this
is bullshit.
-Kevin : * More nonsense that goes nowhere *
Grand Finale :
-Me : Cut the shit, Kevin.
-My brain : I'm going to have some fun with you now since you've been
lying to me for like a week now in various forms and so I tell you I
won't tell anyone what you did if you just admit it. I'll even tell
your business partner everything is hunky dorey and we'll all have a
tea party together. I give myself an oscar for pretending to be nice
and get along just to coax the info out of him. I figure that my one
little lie VS about 20 of his + a bunch of character assassination,
slander and whining about licensors (not really covered in this
message) - is a fair trade.
-Kevin : Ok, you got me. I did indeed post as Todd Marchant
(***@gmail.com). But don't tell Mike - he is SUPER
pissed about this right now, dude! Ohno!
-We say our goodbyes and pretend we are going to get along in the
future; I promise to bring my tea set if and when we have our tea
party. Yay, all is well.
-I hang up and laugh pretty hard for a good 3 minutes.
-I play nice for a while just for shits and giggles. I even pretend
I'm interested in working for them just to see where it goes -. I
honestly never expect a reply; and secondarily - why would I want to
work for someone who would slander me like he just did to his ex-
employee Neal (Neil?) during our phone call? Maybe I shouldn't worry
- I'm sure it's possible that Neal was invented as a scapegoat and
does not actually exist. Anything to avoid getting his hand slapped
for being in the cookie jar I guess...
Cheers;
-cyBORG