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Container of pinball machines for sale $38,000
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Jack Wheeler
2013-03-24 06:53:06 UTC
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Pinballed
2013-03-24 07:12:44 UTC
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Container games...risky business
Mike Gervasi
2013-03-24 12:38:26 UTC
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Post by Pinballed
Container games...risky business
No kidding. It's risky if it's already in the US and not opened yet never mind sending any funds out of country. No guarantee you'll ever see a container much less a pin worth anything. I get nervous when it's only one pin just a few states away :)
barakandl
2013-03-24 12:53:55 UTC
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Post by Mike Gervasi
Post by Pinballed
Container games...risky business
No kidding. It's risky if it's already in the US and not opened yet never mind sending any funds out of country. No guarantee you'll ever see a container much less a pin worth anything. I get nervous when it's only one pin just a few states away :)
For 40K it might be worth flying to croatia to look at them first.
Mike Gervasi
2013-03-24 13:00:13 UTC
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Post by barakandl
For 40K it might be worth flying to croatia to look at them first.
Nah, we should post a "I'm thinking of buying some pins..can someone local take a run over and check them out for me?" :)
a***@gmail.com
2013-03-24 13:28:15 UTC
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asking for some one to pop over may not be as crazy as you think. There is only 6 people between you and any one else in the world. I have a few croation friends in nyc. They go back and forth. Have there own connections to draw on. May be they cant judge the condition of the games. They can verify if there is even a container. I will see one next weekend. I can fb another. If They are for real. I dont have 40 large
Mike Gervasi
2013-03-24 14:46:00 UTC
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Post by a***@gmail.com
I dont have 40 large
Me either. For some people that's 4 pins.
a***@hotmail.com
2013-03-24 07:26:37 UTC
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Sigh, wish they were further.
vid1900
2013-03-24 19:01:49 UTC
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Sigh, wish they were further
Bahhahahaha

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Ron - NYP
2013-03-24 11:24:59 UTC
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wheeler dealer? any pics?
Post by Jack Wheeler
Located in Croatia.
Terminator 2
Fire
World cup 94
Dracula
No good golfers
Maverick
Tommy
Fish Tales
Lethal weapon x3
Indiana Jones
Demolition man
Gateway
Judge Dredd
Junk yard
Taxi
Comet
Adams Family x2
Tales of Arabian night
Corvette
Road show x2
CFBL x2
Diner
LAH
Dirty harry
B***@AOL.COM
2013-03-24 19:39:36 UTC
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Post by Jack Wheeler
Located in Croatia.
Terminator 2
Fire
World cup 94
Dracula
No good golfers
Maverick
Tommy
Fish Tales
Lethal weapon x3
Indiana Jones
Demolition man
Gateway
Judge Dredd
Junk yard
Taxi
Comet
Adams Family x2
Tales of Arabian night
Corvette
Road show x2
CFBL x2
Diner
LAH
Dirty harry
its 38,000 euros plus shipping plus some pin,s are rough , plus you
won,t see everything that on list show up
s***@gmail.com
2013-03-25 19:15:02 UTC
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no, its U.S. currency, not Euros. Exact list of machines is given in the list.
CEG
2013-03-25 20:55:36 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
no, its U.S. currency, not Euros. Exact list of machines is given in the list.
Where/Who do I send my Western Union Money Orders to?
nwojedi
2013-03-25 21:03:38 UTC
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shipping might kill the deal. Is there duties on that as well? If the
are complete and fair condition, it could be a good deal. But if yo
can't make at least 10k on it, it won't be worth the hassle you have t
go through

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Terrapin Mark
2013-03-26 01:40:05 UTC
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Great Prices. Wish my boat was a few channels closer.
s***@gmail.com
2013-03-26 02:50:23 UTC
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No duties of any kind. It is used US manufactured products in Chicago, IL, coming back to US. Just straight shipping charges and Customs broker fee.
seymour.shabow
2013-03-26 13:54:44 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
No duties of any kind. It is used US manufactured products in Chicago, IL, coming back to US. Just straight shipping charges and Customs broker fee.
There's no duty regardless of # of machines coming back? (I agree there
should be none, but > certain # does the customs inspector believe that
38 pinball machines are for one person's collection? We all believe
that to be true, of course....)
Jack Wheeler
2013-03-26 14:18:00 UTC
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That is correct. You cannot charge an import duty for something that
is made here. If it were in Germany or anywhere else, then yes,
regardless of quantity.
Post by s***@gmail.com
No duties of any kind. It is used US manufactured products in Chicago, IL, coming back to US. Just straight shipping charges and Customs broker fee.
There's no duty regardless of # of machines coming back?  (I agree there
should be none, but > certain # does the customs inspector believe that
38 pinball machines are for one person's collection?  We all believe
that to be true, of course....)
blah
2013-03-26 15:44:01 UTC
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Actually that's wrong..
As a person that's brought 6 or so machine into the USA they MUST be
for personal use not pay the tax\duty (whatever you wanna call it).
If it a business thing they can charge ya.


I did quite the battle at the US\CAN board one day bringing my NIB FGY
into the US. I worked for a company call Great Lakes Electronics. The
guys inside at the boarder just couldn't understand someone would buy
a new machine for personal use...and my employer didn't help. Luckily
I had a buddy that worked at the next bridge over called him...he
called over vouched for me.

I say it's a pretty big gamble to say you can convince the customs
agent that 35ish pinball machines are for personal use
Post by s***@gmail.com
No duties of any kind. It is used US manufactured products in Chicago, IL, coming back to US. Just straight shipping charges and Customs broker fee.
There's no duty regardless of # of machines coming back?  (I agree there
should be none, but > certain # does the customs inspector believe that
38 pinball machines are for one person's collection?  We all believe
that to be true, of course....)
s***@gmail.com
2013-03-26 16:35:21 UTC
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It is USED, made in early 1990s pinball machines for a private collection/collector. Pinball containers have been imported back to US, since late 90s by many people on this board including me. If they want to chime in, please do so.

There is no import tax on used us manufactured goods. It is made here, used elsewhere, and coming back home. That is double taxation to ask for it again.
seymour.shabow
2013-03-27 12:09:14 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
That is double taxation to ask for it again.
Kind of like how you would pay sales tax on something and when you sell
it when you don't want it anymore on ebay, and they want you to collect
sales tax from the buyer, again.
joe mamma pinballwizzNO@SPAMgmail.com
2013-03-27 14:12:22 UTC
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Or like selling a used car. It was taxed when sold new and taxed again every time it changes hands. That doesn't happen does it???

:-)

Chris
s***@gmail.com
2013-03-27 14:44:31 UTC
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Well, yes, kind of, but not quite. What you mentioned is sales tax, for goods and services sold within US. I believe they were reffering to "import taxes", when you bring something from abroad to US, you are supposed to pay import duties. True, whether it be a collectible Ferrari made in italy or chinese crap for wal mart, yes you pay import taxes, since the origin of goods is abroad.

Since this is originally made within US, Wms paid to govt sales tax when it originally sold it new to wmomever bought it back then.

Now, its coming back to the place of origin, it has been used, is coming not to a business but to a private individual that collects those things for his own amusement in his own house.

People collect all kinds of things, guns, cars, stamps, this particular bunch here collects pinball machines. That customs agent mentioned by some other poster above "can't understand" why would somebody collect that, is irrelevant and his problem and not the law.

Now, if said machine later on is refurbished and sold by a business for profit later on, then that business is supposed to collect sales tax. There is no longer "import duty tax" in place since it is now within US territory, just good ole sales tax. That's the law.

As soon as it clears US customs in the destination port by a customs broker, its clear of US customs hands.
blah
2013-03-27 18:09:58 UTC
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So if I buy this container...are you willing to escrow the approx 5k
in duty and taxes 'just in case' I get charge? Then pay me that 5k
when it happens?

You seem pretty sure of yourself...so I'm assuming it's not a problem
s***@gmail.com
2013-03-27 18:49:10 UTC
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Yes, that could be arranged. The only reason I am sure is because I have done it before.

US Customs agents have a lot of power to do many things, hold containers indefinitely with no explanation (they dont have to give any), they can seize whole ships, they can confiscate this and that, they can open, inspect, ransack a whole container, they can do many things, but again, there is no import tax on something made on US soil by US company. Sales taxes later on that other posters talk about is a didferent matter settled with IRS not Dept. of Homeland Security.
B***@AOL.COM
2013-03-27 19:52:47 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Yes, that could be arranged. The only reason I am sure is because I have done it before.
US Customs agents have a lot of power to do many things, hold containers indefinitely with no explanation (they dont have to give any), they can seize whole ships, they can confiscate this and that, they can open, inspect, ransack a whole container, they can do many things, but again, there is no import tax on something made on US soil by US company. Sales taxes later on that other posters talk about is a didferent matter settled with IRS not Dept. of Homeland Security.
38,000 pins
shipping 5000+/- depends how far you are from port we were in trenton
nj from newark in 2000 we paid 600 for trucking to us
29 pin,s by my count thats about 1500 each
imo to big of risk plus your help on this end to unload shop
missing parts bent legs
a***@gmail.com
2013-07-26 23:48:06 UTC
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Post by Jack Wheeler
Located in Croatia.
Terminator 2
Fire
World cup 94
Dracula
No good golfers
Maverick
Tommy
Fish Tales
Lethal weapon x3
Indiana Jones
Demolition man
Gateway
Judge Dredd
Junk yard
Taxi
Comet
Adams Family x2
Tales of Arabian night
Corvette
Road show x2
CFBL x2
Diner
LAH
Dirty harry
hi do you still have the machines for sale thanks peter
Dan L.
2013-07-27 02:03:31 UTC
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If not I bet you can find a nice container to buy in Nigeria.

Dan L.
Frank Furhter
2013-07-27 03:12:07 UTC
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Post by Dan L.
If not I bet you can find a nice container to buy in Nigeria.
Dan L.
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Dan L.
2013-07-27 03:44:27 UTC
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Yeah, you caught me.

I hate those white crackers in Croatia!

BUY WITH CONFIDENCE FROM NIGERIA!!!!

Dan L.
patrick
2013-07-27 13:49:52 UTC
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Post by Jack Wheeler
Located in Croatia.
Terminator 2
Fire
World cup 94
Dracula
No good golfers
Maverick
Tommy
Fish Tales
Lethal weapon x3
Indiana Jones
Demolition man
Gateway
Judge Dredd
Junk yard
Taxi
Comet
Adams Family x2
Tales of Arabian night
Corvette
Road show x2
CFBL x2
Diner
LAH
Dirty harry
My interest ceased when I saw 3 Lethal Weapons on board :(
gamble4food
2021-02-22 23:01:21 UTC
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Post by Jack Wheeler
Located in Croatia.
Terminator 2
Fire
World cup 94
Dracula
No good golfers
Maverick
Tommy
Fish Tales
Lethal weapon x3
Indiana Jones
Demolition man
Gateway
Judge Dredd
Junk yard
Taxi
Comet
Adams Family x2
Tales of Arabian night
Corvette
Road show x2
CFBL x2
Diner
LAH
Dirty harry
Hi, I know this message is old, but do you have any more containers for sale?
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