Safe cracker tokens - International vs domestic?

[Ross]

Can someone explain the differences between international and domestic safe
cracker tokens. Do they all work, just different designs? Were they all
originally produced by Williams?

Thanks!

Ross
Minnesota

[Lloyd Olson]

International ones are a tiny bit bigger around. LTG :)

Post by Ross
Can someone explain the differences between international and domestic safe
cracker tokens. Do they all work, just different designs? Were they all
originally produced by Williams?
Thanks!
Ross
Minnesota

[Mike Schudel]

As Lloyd said the international tokens are larger in diameter than the
domestic tokens. My SC won't run the international tokens without being
rejected by the token mechanics. All the tokens were made for WMS by a
token manufacturer in both sizes. I have heard that half dollars will work
too, but I'm sticking with tokens. There was rumors that IPB was going to
have the tokens remade by the same group that originally made them, but so
far it's still a rumor.

I gave two or three to a guy that has an imported Sc and it ran thru his
just fine.

There is a small screw that can be fiddled with, but I couldn't get it to
accept both.

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[Brandon Miller]

Post by Ross
Can someone explain the differences between international and domestic safe
cracker tokens.

I think the international ones are very slightly larger, I think to
accommodate someone's currency laws.

Post by Ross
Do they all work, just different designs?

Either type will work in any SC, but you have to adjust the token mech to
accommodate one size or the other. In other words, you can't have a mix of
dometic and intl. tokens in the tubes and have them work in the game at the
same time.

Post by Ross
Were they all
originally produced by Williams?

By WMS or whoever they contracted to make them as far as I know.

Also, I believe there are more designs of one type than another (15 vs 20),
just can't remember which is which.

Hope that helps.

Brandon

[Mike Hogue]

I've got domestic, international and 50 cent pieces in my SC. If you adjust
the token mech just right , you can get *all* types of tokens to be
accepted. It might take a second or third try for success, but it'll work.
You never know what you're going to win with my SC! : )

Mike (Who hopes the feds don't take my SC)

Hobbyist / Collector "00"
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/hogue

Post by Brandon Miller
In other words, you can't have a mix of
dometic and intl. tokens in the tubes and have them work in the game at the
same time.

[wolfus]

Does SafeCracker have a coin comparitor like real slots? Do you change a
sample token to compare to?
Just curious.
Timathie CARGPB15

Post by Mike Hogue
I've got domestic, international and 50 cent pieces in my SC. If you adjust
the token mech just right , you can get *all* types of tokens to be
accepted. It might take a second or third try for success, but it'll work.
You never know what you're going to win with my SC! : )
Mike (Who hopes the feds don't take my SC)
Hobbyist / Collector "00"
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/hogue

Post by Brandon Miller
In other words, you can't have a mix of
dometic and intl. tokens in the tubes and have them work in the game at

the

Post by Brandon Miller
same time.

[Lloyd Olson]

On the American door, you have a magic token slot and mech, and quarter slot
and mech.. A slightly different coin door interface board so the game
recognizes a magic token when it's put into the game. LTG :)

Post by wolfus
Does SafeCracker have a coin comparitor like real slots? Do you change a
sample token to compare to?
Just curious.
Timathie CARGPB15

[MacMan]

Post by Brandon Miller
Also, I believe there are more designs of one type than another (15 vs 20),
just can't remember which is which.

There's a lot in the archives on this. There were 20 in each, but the 6
antique finish ones were only done in domestic size as they were made to
be handed out at trade shows.

Likewise the rare prototype token was only domestic.

Cheers
Macman

Post by Brandon Miller
Hope that helps.
Brandon

[Peter Colombo]

What's the rare prototype token look like?

Post by MacMan

Post by Brandon Miller
Also, I believe there are more designs of one type than another (15 vs 20),
just can't remember which is which.

There's a lot in the archives on this. There were 20 in each, but the 6
antique finish ones were only done in domestic size as they were made to
be handed out at trade shows.
Likewise the rare prototype token was only domestic.
Cheers
Macman

Post by Brandon Miller
Hope that helps.
Brandon

[Peter Colombo]

OK, I found it here:
http://www.thepaisleys.com/PaisleyPinball/SC/complete_token_set.htm

Post by Peter Colombo
What's the rare prototype token look like?

Post by MacMan

Post by Brandon Miller
Also, I believe there are more designs of one type than another (15 vs 20),
just can't remember which is which.

There's a lot in the archives on this. There were 20 in each, but the 6
antique finish ones were only done in domestic size as they were made to
be handed out at trade shows.
Likewise the rare prototype token was only domestic.
Cheers
Macman

Post by Brandon Miller
Hope that helps.
Brandon

[w***@aol.com]

Hi -

If anyone interested - full set of all 20 Safecracker International
Tokens on Ebay. All are NOS never used, nice and shiny !

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6152743293

Auction #6152743293

Thanks !

[b***@msn.com]

A few quick factoids:
1) There are 47 total different SC tokens known to exist...20 "shiny"
designs in both an Int'l and a domestic size, 6 antiqued finish tokens,
and a prototype design token
2) Dennis Paisley's website has the best nomenclature for identifying
designs...to the novice, several are "similar" in their descriptions
and can be confused if you're not careful with your verbal
description/naming conventions
3) It seems to be generally accepted that different sizes of tokens
were built for overseas and US machines due to coinage/anti-slug laws
in various countries (hence why 50 cent pieces, or "worn" 50 cent
pieces can be reasonable substitutes)
4) You can't assume a game is domestic just because of the coin
door...WMS seemed to have made some "hybrid" games near the end, which
were originally intended for Domestic use, but were converted and sold
overseas (I've got one of these "weird" ones myself)
5) There's relatively little public info on wiring your coin door
interface board, but there is at least one good "underground" doc
floating around with good pics(Note: Domestic and Int'l games have diff
interface boards, as Lloyd mentions. If you have a hybrid game, with a
domestic interface board, getting this working correctly without an
electronic mech is a real pain unless you have pics to go by...but it's
usually a really simple jumper installation)

One suggestive post on the topic of anti-slug laws and why the tokens
are different sized in the first place (Karl's post #29):
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/browse_frm/thread/c83c39932460724e/f456f521bae1ef20?q=sc+tokens+slug&_done=%2Fgroup%2Frec.games.pinball%2Fsearch%3Fgroup%3Drec.games.pinball%26q%3Dsc+tokens+slug%26qt_g%3D1%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#f456f521bae1ef20

On the topic of all 20 designs being available in both domestic and
Int'l sizes:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/browse_frm/thread/6bb9d204246a17f1/e228f61df204fabc?q=lambert+sc&_done=%2Fgroup%2Frec.games.pinball%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dlambert+sc%26start%3D0%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#e228f61df204fabc

On the topic of using 50 cent pieces:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/browse_frm/thread/65396bd556ffab26/102f9d447ee7640e?q=lambert+sc&_done=%2Fgroup%2Frec.games.pinball%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dlambert+sc%26start%3D10%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#102f9d447ee7640e

A little google searching and you'll see all kinds of information on
adjusting your token mech to take different tokens/fifty cent pieces,
some wild goose chase threads on the topic of re-wiring your coin door
interface board, posts on how to tell if your machine is "really"
domestic (other than just the coin door), the perennial debate on
whether somebody will repro tokens, the difficulty in finding any SC
promo plastics, especially the fobs (which is uber-rare) and LOTs more
SC details...

Until then, if you're looking for a display-worthy NOS set of all 20
designs in the int'l size, I've got a few more for sale, and at prices
less than the current e-bay auction BIN. I've touched thousands of
these tokens now, and, having been a coin collector previously, I can
assure you that the NOS sets I put together were among the cream of the
crop from the SC token exchange of a few years ago.

Brian

Post by MacMan

Post by Brandon Miller
Also, I believe there are more designs of one type than another (15 vs 20),
just can't remember which is which.

There's a lot in the archives on this. There were 20 in each, but the 6
antique finish ones were only done in domestic size as they were made to
be handed out at trade shows.
Likewise the rare prototype token was only domestic.
Cheers
Macman

Post by Brandon Miller
Hope that helps.
Brandon

[Lou]

Post by b***@msn.com
5) There's relatively little public info on wiring your coin door
interface board, but there is at least one good "underground" doc
floating around with good pics(Note: Domestic and Int'l games have diff
interface boards, as Lloyd mentions. If you have a hybrid game, with a
domestic interface board, getting this working correctly without an
electronic mech is a real pain unless you have pics to go by...but it's
usually a really simple jumper installation)

Here's how to convert it.
http://www.geocities.com/itsonlypinball/safecracker/sc-token.htm